We are honored to have Dr. Sue Johnson as a guest on this Episode. We ask about her focus when clients are reactive or when they are open to vulnerability.

Welcome to the Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy with Drs. James Hawkins, Ph.D., LPC, and Ryan Rana, Ph.D., LMFT, LPC, ICEEFT Therapists, Supervisors, and Trainers. Thank you for listening. We hope this experience helps you push the leading edge in your work to help people connect with themselves and with each other.


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